Compromise is so tempting, but history and church history has shown it justs leads to death.
7 COMMENTS
Thank you Bishop Gavin and Kevin for this episode of AU. As I’d commented elsewhere, under the guise of the Londoners celebrating differences and diversity and celebrating an interfaith iftar at at St. Paul’s, what Mrs Sarah Mullally has presided over is the soft opening of St Paul’s Mosque.
I am alarmed to learn that a lady ”vicar” has done a similar thing and even had covered the crucifixes to make the guests for the iftar welcome. This is Mrs Lissa Scott of St Matthews and Luke’s, Darlington, I see. Is she another former midwife? If not, like Mrs Mullally, she too must be a person who has had very little experience in Christian ministry and very very poorly prepared for the role. Where did these ladies get their theological training? And, how many more muttonheads like these are running dioceses and parishes in the UK? My guess is that there are many ?
Thank you, Bishop Gavin for pointing out that the inclusion of Israel’s patriaches and the rest in the Koran is fake, and that Allah and God who’d revealed Himself in Jesus are NOT the same. Why then on earth do the Arabic Christians say they call God: Allah? Had there been a terrible mistake in translation?
Dr. Watson, I know Arabic-speaking Christians of undoubted orthodoxy. They do call God “Allah.” It’s the word for God in Arabic. There is only one God, according to both Christians and Muslims. The Muslim (mis-)understanding of God is radically different from that of the God revealed in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures and in the person of Jesus Christ. Evangelists can and do tell Muslims that God is love, and not much like the Muslim conception of him; however, if one were to tell them that God isn’t God, they would think the speaker was crazy.
Arabic Christians call Jesus “Yeshua,” and the Muslims call him “Issa.” Naturally, the Christian teaching about Yeshua is entirely different from the Islamic stories about Issa.
Yes, I believe it was. Since Arabic is a semitic language strongly related to Hebrew and Aramaic, he is called “Yeshua.”
Generally, in a Christian or Jewish usage, logia is translated as divinely inspired words, or simply “scriptures”. It is also used to refer specifically to the sayings or parables spoken by Christ.
No need for “oracles”.
Alpha and Katherine, thank you for these comments. I agree with them. I think our fundamental concern here is not so much the linguistics of God, but the Referent Himself.
Accordingly, do the terms God (the one whom Jesus revealed through him and called Father) and Allah (the one the Muslims refer to as the Almighty etc) refer to the same?
If I understand correctly, Bishop Gavin’s reply to this question is an emphatic NO!
“Where did these ladies get their theological training?”
They were birthed into the ministry by the spirit of “Political Correctness and Equal Opportunity”, not the Holy Spirit of God..
It may come as a surprise to some but the true (sans denominational) Church of Christ is other worldly; in this world but not of it.
The Church does not conform to the shifting values of this world; we stay loyal to the values of our great Creator God and the salvation He has brought to us through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. These values are eternal, because God says they are.
Our calling is to live out the Gospel in our generation, being led by the Holy Spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit and in the unity of the Holy Spirit. So we speak the truth in love to our fellow man, we pray, we seek to be servants of the living God.
But if we do this there will be both fruit and consequences!
Alpha and Katherine, thank you for these comments. I agree with them. I think our fundamental concern here is not so much the linguistics of God, but the Referent Himself.
Accordingly, do the terms God (the one whom Jesus revealed through him and called Father) and Allah (the one the Muslims refer to as the Almighty etc) refer to the same?
If I understand correctly, Bishop Gavin’s reply to this question is an emphatic NO!
Thank you Bishop Gavin and Kevin for this episode of AU. As I’d commented elsewhere, under the guise of the Londoners celebrating differences and diversity and celebrating an interfaith iftar at at St. Paul’s, what Mrs Sarah Mullally has presided over is the soft opening of St Paul’s Mosque.
I am alarmed to learn that a lady ”vicar” has done a similar thing and even had covered the crucifixes to make the guests for the iftar welcome. This is Mrs Lissa Scott of St Matthews and Luke’s, Darlington, I see. Is she another former midwife? If not, like Mrs Mullally, she too must be a person who has had very little experience in Christian ministry and very very poorly prepared for the role. Where did these ladies get their theological training? And, how many more muttonheads like these are running dioceses and parishes in the UK? My guess is that there are many ?
Thank you, Bishop Gavin for pointing out that the inclusion of Israel’s patriaches and the rest in the Koran is fake, and that Allah and God who’d revealed Himself in Jesus are NOT the same. Why then on earth do the Arabic Christians say they call God: Allah? Had there been a terrible mistake in translation?
Dr. Watson, I know Arabic-speaking Christians of undoubted orthodoxy. They do call God “Allah.” It’s the word for God in Arabic. There is only one God, according to both Christians and Muslims. The Muslim (mis-)understanding of God is radically different from that of the God revealed in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures and in the person of Jesus Christ. Evangelists can and do tell Muslims that God is love, and not much like the Muslim conception of him; however, if one were to tell them that God isn’t God, they would think the speaker was crazy.
Arabic Christians call Jesus “Yeshua,” and the Muslims call him “Issa.” Naturally, the Christian teaching about Yeshua is entirely different from the Islamic stories about Issa.
Yes, I believe it was. Since Arabic is a semitic language strongly related to Hebrew and Aramaic, he is called “Yeshua.”
Generally, in a Christian or Jewish usage, logia is translated as divinely inspired words, or simply “scriptures”. It is also used to refer specifically to the sayings or parables spoken by Christ.
No need for “oracles”.
Alpha and Katherine, thank you for these comments. I agree with them. I think our fundamental concern here is not so much the linguistics of God, but the Referent Himself.
Accordingly, do the terms God (the one whom Jesus revealed through him and called Father) and Allah (the one the Muslims refer to as the Almighty etc) refer to the same?
If I understand correctly, Bishop Gavin’s reply to this question is an emphatic NO!
“Where did these ladies get their theological training?”
They were birthed into the ministry by the spirit of “Political Correctness and Equal Opportunity”, not the Holy Spirit of God..
It may come as a surprise to some but the true (sans denominational) Church of Christ is other worldly; in this world but not of it.
The Church does not conform to the shifting values of this world; we stay loyal to the values of our great Creator God and the salvation He has brought to us through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. These values are eternal, because God says they are.
Our calling is to live out the Gospel in our generation, being led by the Holy Spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit and in the unity of the Holy Spirit. So we speak the truth in love to our fellow man, we pray, we seek to be servants of the living God.
But if we do this there will be both fruit and consequences!
Alpha and Katherine, thank you for these comments. I agree with them. I think our fundamental concern here is not so much the linguistics of God, but the Referent Himself.
Accordingly, do the terms God (the one whom Jesus revealed through him and called Father) and Allah (the one the Muslims refer to as the Almighty etc) refer to the same?
If I understand correctly, Bishop Gavin’s reply to this question is an emphatic NO!