Kevin Kallsen, George Conger, and Gavin Ashenden sit down to talk about the Jonathan Fletcher story that appeared in today’s Telegraph. They also discuss Anglican Tribalism and Transgendered bullying in England.
Kevin Kallsen, George Conger, and Gavin Ashenden sit down to talk about the Jonathan Fletcher story that appeared in today’s Telegraph. They also discuss Anglican Tribalism and Transgendered bullying in England.
I share George’s optimism in America. Gramsci’s grand scheme is a fail. The takeover of the institutions brings scorn rather than control. The church, academia, news media, armchair philosophers, and politicians can only lie for so long. The push back is well underway (my state, the Soviet of Washington does have a ways to go). The young couples I know are out working, hunting, fishing, having babies, 4-wheeling, and living life. _
Within Roman Catholicism one will find virtual new agers, academic liberals, charismatics, political liberationists, pre-Vatican 2 traditionalists, interfaithists, and conservative-looking modernists (who hold sway today) – in other words, virtually everything and anything that can be found in Protestantism. Gavin is great on his critique of the cultural captivity of the church; however, he has himself been taken prisoner by the Babylonian embrace of Rome.
Allow me to recommend to Gavin the following brief volume: ‘A Reformation Debate’ – John Calvin/Jacopo Sadoleto, which also contains an appendix on the topic of Justification. Forget Newman – this where the issue is really hammered out. And remember, please: Rome is further now from biblical truth than she was four centuries ago.
Gavin is a pretty thoughtful and well-read man. I’m not sure that reading one more book is going to persuade him that he’s made a mistake. I, too, am sad that this is the path he’s chosen, but I have to acknowledge that in this day and age there are many of us who feel in exile and crisis with regard to finding a church to which we can belong. He, at least, had made a decision, no doubt based on an in-depth discernment process.
I personally considered converting to Roman Catholicism (and even attended RCIA classes for several months). But what you say about the various strains of heresy which dominate that church is something that became apparent to me. Was I going to leave all the beauties of the Anglican liturgy and the theology of the BCP for something that appealed to me less and still left me with clergy who referred to the biblical story as a Kantian narrative, and would much rather be preaching about Gandhi anyway? Perhaps if I’d encountered a more faithful incarnation of the RC church…
I find it more than sad. I believe that to convert to Rome is dangerous, indeed potentially soul-destroying. If it means anything to be Anglican, it is to stand four-square against Rome’s fables, inventions and heresies. As Christ stood against those who had buried truth beneath their invented traditions, so we too must do the same with regard to Rome today.
Couple of things
Churches should look at how the Roman Church has dealt with the sexual abuse to see how not to handle a problem. It is an example of one group, the clergy, protecting themselves at the expense of the laity. The worst example of this is when I read a bishop’s message where he blamed young boys in an orphanage of tempting the clergy and therefore causing the abuse.
Regarding especially TEC and ACofC but it applies to other Christian Churches. Christ told us to beware the yeast of the Sadducees. Today the Sadducees are the secular humanists. This group wants to create heaven on earth by conforming the Church to this world. They look to the ever changing views of people rather than the Bible for truth. (build the church on sand) Secular Humanists have always been in the Church, but they were allowed to flourished long before feminism and have experienced exponential growth.
For me a phobia is an exaggerated or irrational fear of something. I believe those who support the homosexual lifestyle or transgender-ism attach phobia to the word to make their opponent sound irrational and to shutdown discussion.
It is the old Stalinist trick. Anyone who disagrees with me must be mentally ill.
If you don’t approve of same sex marriages, you must have a mental illness called Homophobia. If you don’t approve of Donald Trump, you must have a mental illness called Trump Derangement Syndrome. This Stalinist mindset permeates our culture.