Franklin Graham responds to Christianity Today’s call for President Trump to be removed from office

1. Thank you, Franklin. Well said.

2. I`m really surprised by this editorial by Christianity Today. Its not that I`m a Donald Trump supporter. I`m not and if I was American I would have voted for the American Solidarity Party candidate. I aknowledge the positive accomplishments of his Presidency. I also don`t like his personal, arrogant style, sometimes quite unfortunate and unworthy of the President of the United States. But this impeachment is purely demagogical, and yes, unfortunately, its true, all the Democratic Party Presidential candidates are much worst than Trump, they all support abortion until birth, same-sex marriage, gender ideology and the ideological colonization of Africa with the pro-abortion and the pro-homosexuality agenda. If Christianity Today took this action because they want Mike Pence to replace Donald Trump as the President, believe me its not the right time for this to happen.

3. I don’t pretend to know what Billy Graham would think at this point. But to vote for someone at one point in time is not to endorse everything that person does subsequently or mean one wouldn’t change one’s opinion about the person given new circumstances.

   And still we get the “look what good he’s done” argument. Great. That someone does some good doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t do some bad too. And there are other Republican leaders who could have done the same good things.

   Does truth come by vote? So what if no Republicans voted against Trump? There could have been political motivations behind their support.

   Evangelicals who once denounced Bill Clinton for his sins now don’t find such things so bad. They have, over the last few decades, come to equate the Republican platform with orthodox Christianity. Why on earth would they so heartily endorse a president who calls for other countries–countries that aren’t our friends–to meddle in our politics (I’m speaking here of his calls to Russia and China to look into Hilary Clinton’s emails)? Why would they support a man who truly believes that as president he can do whatever he wants? Who says the most derogatory things about his American opponents? Who talks vulgar trash about women? One thing the president has gotten right is that he could shoot someone in broad daylight and his fawning devotees wouldn’t say a thing. They wanted a strong man as the Israelites did when they demanded to have a king who would save them. They didn’t trust God back then, and they don’t trust Him today. They want to “clear the swamp” of politicians, astonishingly not getting that the people they put in will be politicians too.

   Francis Schaeffer was right. Personal peace and affluence are top values today, even among Christians (no, folks, the economy isn’t everything). I would add one more value: power. We see our country sliding into a moral pit, and we think we will change it by electing a bully no matter what he says and does. He spits in people eyes, and we cheer. It’s a sad day indeed for America.

   • Pres. Trump has a free ride. He kicked the Queen of Thieves to the curb just as Pres. Obama did in 2008. Amen

   • You obviously ignore the last three years. What has happened during that time is a much-covered criminal attempt to unseat President Trump. Our Justice department/our FBI-CIA-NSC and more have been used to spy on a President, concoct falsehoods and imprison people who were entrapped in a fraudulent investigation. You have no high horse to ride here. There is no impeachable offense and hasn’t been. There has been treasonous activity by many to nullify an election they felt was theirs. And sadly, except for alternate media, the main stream press of this country has facilitated the coup and spread this cancer. ANd that is what Christianity Today did with the article. And what YOU are doing by defending it. All of you bear false witness because you haven’t bothered to check out the law, the Constitution, the reports coming out daily on what was done to destroy the sitting President. And all this while, the world watches our country torn apart. Congratulations for your service to the author of lies – it isn’t the President . It’s Satan and his servants, the Democrats, the mealy-mouth RINOS and of course Christianity Today.

     • I see. So if the other side does wrong things, that exonerates the president? He was acting like a spoiled, petulant, bulling child before he even got into office (after which time the Democrats went after him).

       And I see you have picked up his attitude. Because I call a spade a spade here, you call me a servant of Satan?

       • Goodness, son. I’m less concerned about someone’s “attitude” than I am about a purposeful conspiracy to destroy a presidency because the powers that be didn’t want him to win. The misuse of our Justice branch should frighten everyone, regardless of what party the president is. The FBI and others colluded – conspired – carried out a campaign of entrapment for people who are now in jail because the FBI wished to squeeze whomever they could – they misused our legal system – abused power – tried to OVERTHROW the executive branch. I’m sorry I called you a “servant of Satan ” – you’re just a raving idiot. Willfully unschooled, mentally challenged. THREE years the Left has tried to destroy this president and you give a pass for it because you think he’s rude? Yes, you’re an idiot and I don’t suffer fools but when my country that is based on the Constitution and the rule of law, I don’t intend to suffer from your stupidity.

         • “Son”?

           Pause just a moment and re-read what you wrote. That’s the kind of small-minded meanness that characterizes so many on the far right. Put-downs and name-calling are all they have. I don’t take anything you say seriously.

       • rick_w55 You appear to be a person who likes to change horses in mid stream. I don’t. I know I would fall off the horse and probably drown.

         I trust the American people (as much as I can) to make an honest decision to keep him for four more years or fire him.

         I have already posted why I did not trust the Clintons. It was too much for me to see Bill Clinton BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE, no more repentant than he has been the previous 15 years.

         • I’m sorry, but you’ll have to clarify your opening statement there. When did I change horses in midstream?

       • You’re kidding, of course. In the days of Bill Clinton, evangelicals were complaining about any and all of his peccadilloes on the basis that they showed him to be an immoral man, not simply that he committed an immoral act while in office. That’s what marks the difference between evangelicals then and evangelicals now who voted for Trump. Some of the same people who denounced Clinton now stand firmly behind Trump. Now if you think that only things a person does while in office count with regard to their moral character, then we have a fundamental disagreement and there’s really nothing else to be said.

4. Interesting that no one here has mentioned the man behind the Christianity Today position!

   I am a 100% committed supporter of President Trump. Have been since the day he and Melania rode down the escalator in Trump Tower and delivered a speech that red blooded conservatives have been longing to hear for decades.

   All you with your noses held high because Trump just wasn’t perfect enough for you? Go find some rocks so you can be the first to throw a stone at him. He is not a perfect man [are any of you, am I], but as Franklin Graham stated and his father stated, he appears to be the perfect man for this hour in our nation’s turmoil. What is it about a roaring economy, rising wages, more manufacturing jobs, conservative judges being appointed to all the courts, stronger defense, and tax cuts that is so offensive to you?

   And what about Mark Galli? Well he thinks your vote for Trump should be nullified and the President removed from office. Some 63 million Americans don’t agree Mr. Galli.

   Guess what else this Evangelical “wolf-in-sheep’s clothing” thinks?

   He thinks there should be open borders and that you should be responsible for healing all the hurts of the third world countries. CT has printed plenty of articles along this line.

   He thinks you should not be allowed to have guns. He thinks you have no right to defend yourself or your family. He thinks the formation of our country through an armed revolution is immoral.

   In short, Mark Galli is just another Social Justice Warrior who uses a magazine to further his pet ideology much like many clergy have hijacked a whole denomination, The Episcopal Church to do the same thing.

5. CT has been shifting left for more than a decade now. I know many Evangelicals, but the only ones I know who read CT are liberal-leaning and 60+. Because of the legacy connection with Billy Graham, the magazine continues to have more credibility than it should. I’m glad Franklin Graham decided to speak to the issue.

   • I subscribe to CT. I’m right-leaning and 60-.

     • Free country.

6. I have met and listened to Mark Galli at Christian conferences like the Mere Anglicanism conference in Charleston, South Carolina three years ago, the one where the late Nabeel Qureshi spoke. I do not question Mark’s spirituality. We both are conservative Anglicans.

   Galli IS born again, period. He is a former Presbyterian pastor, albeit from California. Trump IS controversial. But so was Emperor Constantine. So was Jesus. So was the apostle Paul. So is Putin. During the collapse of Israel and it’s two separate judgments, by Assyria, Babylon, et al, those national judgments were presided over by two or more quasi-deists !

   Oliver Cromwell was controversial. I have heard some Brits argue that Cromwell saved England ! So are, at least, 6 African leaders. So are the Clinton’s.

   I will respectfully disagree with Galli on this one. Let us say that in the last election, we had defaulted to the Clintons. ( By the way, what does NOT voting, accomplish ? ) Would we have had morally superior people ”in charge” ?

   I do not believe so. I believe Bill Clinton raped at least one woman while governor of Arkansas. According to the now retired Colonel Buzz Patterson who had responsibility for part of the nuclear football at the White House during the Clinton years, Hilliary Clinton is unbelievably NASTY. She despises the military ! Patterson had to settle a thorny issue which occurred over Clinton’s sexual assault of a female Air Force sergeant on Air Force One. I have heard Patterson in person, talk about this just two years ago.

   Donald Trump is bad compared to who or what ? He has lived immorally: yes, his affair with a prostitute. Is he qualified to be nominated for a Bible College president ? The answer is a simple NO. Did he rape that “available bimbo” ? Evidence appears to be no.

   So that means that America had to choose between sinners: Sinner A and Sinners B.
   (I personally believe that Melania Trump has a Christian faith).

   Let me express my argument in a slightly different way. You are a Coptic Christian in Egypt. You represent 3% of the population in Egypt. 97% of Egypt is Muslim. You are persecuted. (What do you call having a suicide bomber blow himself up outside your church on Christmas day ?) You are considered unpure or not holy enough to either become a president or any top military general due to lack of qualifications, enough holiness.

   So during elections, do you stay home ? Do you vote in Egypt OR NOT ? I mean if a ”Christian” is only supposed to vote for a Christian, do you stay home ? Here are your choices: # 1 A Muslim fundamentalist who hates the Christian population, and would prefer getting rid of them, # 2 A moderate Muslim (like Anwar Sadat) who believes that all citizens should have equal justice under the law) or # 3 A man who tells everybody what they want to hear and also is weekly unfaithful to his wife.

   So you voted for Hilliary ! You get two lost sinners. Or you voted for Trump. You got: (I think) Melania who I believe fears God and trusts Christ, and an old man who (in my opinion) does in his last years, recognize God, and our country’s need for God, but has never had time to be discipled as a proper Christian, because he only realized this in later years.

   If you do not vote, you do not count.

   As I type this Hillary is ”debating” whether or not to reenter the ”race” as earlier rivals are beating each other up. In light of what I have just stated, (and I am willing to defend it before microphone and camera) do the Clintons suddenly assume the mantel of moral high ground in this debate ?

   Christian and atheist, go back to the book of Judges, a time of turmoil and tell me WHY Sampson is there at all ? A judge or deliverer is listed there not because they got 98% on the test, but because the Almighty God saw something else in the person and decided to use that person for HIS purposes.

   • The choice is not between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

     The choice is between Donald Trump and Mike Pence.

     The rabid opposition from “Conservative” “Evangelicals” to Mike Pence is astonishing. You really prefer Trump to Pence?

     • I respectfully disagree. The choice is not between Trump and Pence. The choice is between our constitutional system and something else. Galli’s (and the Democratic House’s) contention that an impeachable offense has been proved is incorrect, since no direct evidence of such an offense was presented. It was all supposition and assumptions.

       For those who dislike Trump personally, and for those who dislike his policies, we have a method for replacing him. It’s called an election, and we’ll have one in November 2020.

     • Dr. Professional, From the information I have or know personally, I have no reason not to trust or like Mike Pence. I think he is a Christian believer (and probably a positive influence upon the president) Make no mistake about it, IF Pence were to replace Trump, the ”crazies” in the democrat house would be seeking to impeach HIM. Where did I say that I preferred X over Z ?

     • I can’t begin to fathom, practically, what you said.

       The nearest relevant question is “Did Donald Trump commit a high crime or misdemeanor AS INTERPRETED BY THE CONSTITUTION worthy of impeachment. Practically speaking we’ve gotten a 3 year plus investigation into this, and all we got out of the House hearings was opinion and hearsay. With Horowitz’s IG investigation we got far, far more that tell us the FBI used a dossier of at best questionable origin to initiate an investigation of American citizens in the Trump campaign, then discovering that the dossier was unverifiable in the extreme HID that required information from the FISA judge and used it to continue.

       We’re just going to use the Senate to choose Pence over Trump? It doesn’t work that way.

7. Galli’s basic assumptions are two: One, that past personal bad behavior by Trump disqualifies him to hold office. If we were electing a chief pastor, I would agree. We don’t elect the president to be our personal moral model, however. We elect him to be the chief executive officer of the nation. In Bill Clinton’s case, he was impeached for committing federal felonies while in office, in connection with bad personal behavior literally in the office. The judgment of the Senate at the time was that felonies committed in personal matters do not justify removal from office. I disagreed, but that is the new public standard. Two, Galli assumes that the Ukraine matter is an impeachable offense, which is a matter of judgment, not law, and that the Ukraine offense was proved by the testimony taken in the House. This is not the case. No first-hand evidence of wrongdoing was presented, and the alleged victim (Ukraine) denies any such wrongdoing.

   I think Galli’s statement about a highly partisan political conflict is inappropriate for a magazine supposedly focused on Christianity.

8. Mark Galli is said to be retiring as editor this coming January. Let’s hope he doesn’t become the spokesman for the 15 minutes before Gene Robinson branch of ACNA.

   • “for the 15 minutes before Gene Robinson branch of ACNA.”

     …what????

     • … everything just like TEC except active gay bishops. I didn’t come up with the phrase but have adopted it. The 1979 and WO bunch.

9. Mark Galli (ACNA) editor for the (far left) publication Christianity Today (Pravda) is getting rightly torched nationally for his personal propaganda hit piece. Many of the evangelical big shots have sent a lash back rebuke letter to Christianity Today’s president Timothy Dalrymple. The copy I read posted on Breitbart had over 1100 comments. ACNA should issue some boilerplate distancing from Galli. STOP THE PRESSES. Dalrymple just went all in supporting Galli’s hate filled editorial.

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