Will ACNA be invited to Lambeth 2020?

1. If they are, I pray Foley Beach respectfully refuses to go.

   • I agree. Let Lambeth face its natural death, and Archbishop Foley — who is now the leader of over 75% of the world’s Anglicans — call his own Conference in 2021.

     • Lambeth is a dead duck in the water. A pointless exercise that will once again spout whatever Brother Justin wants it to say at the end.
       I know so many CofE clergy who aren’t even bothered now with what comes out of it. It will be the usual unbiblical progressive tripe.

       • As an ACNA priest, I agree. There is now no point at all in going. Justin has demonstrated that what he cares about above all is holding the Communion together. Laudable as that might SEEM, to value that above Holy Scripture is to value worldly flesh above the divine.

       • So true, dear Fr K.

         As I’d asked in the post to the news about some married gay guy being appointed the Chaplian to a Hall in Oxford, do you happen to know whether the Anglicans have a Saint Malachy (who, in the 12th century AD, had made the prophesy of the future 112 Popes?)

         The whole Lambeth ship is sinking. We need to know how long we have to do anything necessary to help save the Communion before jumping into the rafts to save our lives and faith.

         PS. Thank you for the reply comment you’d made to my post on the married gay chaplain. I concur.

         • There is a saint malachy in the Anglican cycle, and several churches in the UK named so.

           Sorry for the late reply, been distracted by yet another bishop being appointed in the CofE with no experience, theological pedigree etc, but a former manager in the NHS. Sound like another recent bishop appointed?
           Where are our spiritual leaders? Nowhere, just another bureaucrat

         • I have never heard of an Anglican equivalent to St. Malachy (in the sense of prophecies about Anglican future.) As Fr. K points out, the (Anglican) Church of Ireland honors him, as do many Anglicans.

2. While I find it interesting that an MP was asking the question, given that all the invitations have already been sent, and ACNA did not get any, I think the answer is fairly obvious.

   • True tj. Let us pray that the Lambeth hierarchy continue in their folly of ignoring Gafcon, so that it gives undecided provinces yet another cause to stay away from Lambeth 2020.

3. Welby has been a disaster as Archbishop of Canterbury. His recent decision to invite the bishops who are in homossexual relationships for Lambeth 2020, but not their partners, shows how he believes that such hypocrisy will please revisionists and orthodox Anglicans, while in fact those who still believe in the Biblical definition of marriage certainly will not show up.

   • Thomas, Poor Welby — a Petroleum business guy with very little experience as a Deacon, Priest and Bishop in the church — was thrust into being the ABp of Canterbury by a lousy and archaic ecclesiastical-political process in the UK (which still believes it’s their prerogative to lead the world ?).

     The wider leadership of the Anglican Communion had no say in who would succeed ++Rowan.

     Be on the watch who might be appointed to this office next. The likelihood is that, in my opinion, the appointee might be a married gay man or a poorly-theologically-educated gay or otherwise bishopess (speculating based on the short-sighted, unwise, and most importantly, un-apostolic senior bishopess appointments that had been made in the past 18 months in the UK ?)

     Welby was not appointed ABofC by a Conclave or by a Council of Bishops who — for example, like the College of Bishops, Archbishops and Primates of the GAFCON, who, through the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT — chose the godly Archbishop Foley to be the Head of the faithful Anglicans of the world.

     Welby was a political appointee. He is clueless, inexpert, helpless and oblivious to the situation on the ground in the Communion. This guy needs our serious prayers.

     • I get your point. Rowan Williams himself should have never had been picked, because he abstained in the voting for the resolution 1.10 at Lambeth 1998. He still had some redeeming qualities that I don`t find in Justin Welby. For example, Williams was involved in pro-life activism, as a member of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, while I haven`t seen yet any stance of Welby on abortion, only in euthanasia, which he opposes. Its really shameful that the Archbishop of Canterbury isn`t elected by the College of Bishops of the Church of England, like it happens in other provinces. But with the current state of the Church of England I have no idea who they would have picked. I don`t think that John Sentamu would have been much better than Welby, from what I know about him.

       • I agree, Thomas. In my view, there’s no Bishop in the UK who could fill this roll. If there’s any, he should be out and about speaking on extremely pressing issues the UK church is facing at present.

         The ones that are making news are the bishopesses who, at a recent conference had argued that the cathedral organ pipes should come down because the soaring pipes remind them of the phallus. ?. Apparently, Welby agrees with them. Isn’t this idiotic?

         I don’t know whether it is true; I have heard that all the bishops are pressured to maintain the party line by Lambeth Palace and the Communion Office.

         In any case, all UK Anglican Bishops are political, if not, state appointees — the PM and the Queen need to give their formal consent to all the nominees, I think.

         Also, all the ABCs are English. The whole ABC affair revolves around the UK. We need to follow the GAFCON and Vatican model— the ABC should be elected from the Communion and not from the UK, exclusively.

         • It would be a “Primus inter pares”, then.

         • I most certainly agree with your last point. After all, the Brits gave the world, rugby, football, tennis and parliamentary democracy. All of which have been adopted in various parts of the world with varying -and even greater- degrees of success.
           There is therefore no reason why the spiritual leader of that part of the Body of Christ which is the Anglican community, should not be a foreigner…

         • “In my view, there’s no Bishop in the UK who could fill this roll.”

           True. The one who could have done it was Richard Chartres. He had the gravitas, conservatism, experience and political connections to make it work, and to save the CofE from itself.

           But the CofE hierarchy chose Justin Welby instead, and thus doomed itself to oblivion.

     • “-a Petroleum business guy with very little experience as a Deacon,”
       And far from being a bright light he rather resembles a damp squib..

     • And, how was Bob Duncan appointed archbishop of ACNA at its formation? One does have to start somewhere. Henry VIII comes to mind. Remember, Duncan’s vision was to supplant TEC in the eyes of Canterbury and receive the blessing of Rowan Williams.

       • Terry’s point was not about the appointment of a leader to ACNA, but to Gafcon. He compared that with the process of appointing the ABC, who wears two hats, as leader of the CofE and leader of the Anglican Communion, yet is chosen entirely by the Church of England.

         I don’t think anyone would argue that the CofE is entitled to choose its own head by any means it wishes. The problem is when that head (ABC) also occupies the position as head of the AC. Then we have the problem that the wider Communion has zero say in who its head should be.

         The Roman Catholic do better than us in that respect – at least the Pope is chosen by elector cardinals who come from all over the Catholic world.

         We need a system like Gafcon where a Primate of the Communion is not necessarily the ABC, and is chosen by a separate procedure, wherein all provinces have input.

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